Here's the Problem; Just Don't Expect a Solution

Wednesday, February 21, 2007

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The February 21st edition of The Jordan Times printed an BBC info-graphic entitled "Majority reject 'clash of civilizations'". The graphic states,
A majority of people around the world do not believe that Islam and the West are locked in an inevitable violent struggle and think that common ground can be found, according to a recent poll. Most respondents blamed current tensions on political interests and intolerant minorities on both sides.

Here are some of the poll statistics:

Cause of tensions between Islam and West
52% - Political power and interests
29& - Religious/cultural differences
19% - Don't know

Relationship between Muslim and Western cultures
56% - Possible to find common ground
28% - Violent conflict inevitable
16% - Don't know

In other words, eighty-one percent of the polled population attribute the cause of current tensions on political power/interest and religious/cultural differences, neither of which are going away any time soon. So if the cause of the tensions aren't going away, how then do we expect to find resolutions? It appears that "common ground", in this instance, means that one side is still going to end up with the short end of the stick.

10 Comments:

Anonymous Qwaider قويدر said...

Compromises on both sides need to be made... that's inevitable. The difference are not going to go away, and the rising populations are not going to away any time soon either

2/21/2007 7:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

make the world a better place, punch Qwaider in the to aface

2/21/2007 8:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“In other words, eighty-one percent of the polled population attribute the cause of current tensions on political power/interest and religious/cultural differences, neither of which are going away any time soon. “

The real message here is the 52% attributing the problem to political power/interest. Therefore, change may come much sooner than you think (i.e., one would hope by Nov. 2008). This war among civilizations after all is primarily a US vs. Islam (and some times US vs. world) issue rather than West vs. Islam.

The Islam-phobia created by the US administration has clearly been used and abused to manipulate public opinion. However, scare tactics often backfire—paranoia will destroy ya as the saying goes. The congressional elections last fall provided clues (FINALLY) that the average American is not dead or completely brain-washed. So at this point, I am looking forward to a world when the president of the most powerful country in the world does NOT use phrases such “Islamic fascists”…”stay the course”…or better yet in his most recent press conference “we are fighting a THINKING enemy” DUH.

2/21/2007 11:43 PM  
Blogger Jad said...

I think the problem is simpler than that and it doesn't go beyond Western ignorance about Islam, Muslims and Muslims Ignorance of Western cultural.

2/22/2007 10:19 AM  
Blogger Dave said...

While I agree that the US is largely to blame for a lot of the current tensions between East and West, let's not forget other "Western" stupidities that have caused an uproar (i.e. the Danish cartoons, the Pope's comments on Islam).

The fact of the matter is that if we remove the East vs. West tensions, that opens us up for much more East vs. East tensions (which never seem to go away).

2/22/2007 10:53 AM  
Blogger Moey said...

Anonymous said...

make the world a better place, punch Qwaider in the to aface

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

2/23/2007 11:14 AM  
Blogger nuh ibn zbigniew gondek said...

Peace and goodness.

I write poetry, articles, essays and short fiction for a largely Muslim audience. Come on by when you have some time to read.

Be well,

nuh ibn

2/27/2007 10:29 PM  
Blogger GLOBAL CLASH OF RELIGIONS said...

APOCALYPTIC CLASH OF CIVILIZATION ISLAM VERSUS CHRISTIANITY IS INEVITABLE: by Kalki Gaur, Editor Times of America. March 3, 2007, Washington DC,
(1) THREAT OF BARBARIAN ISLAMIC CALIPHATE EMPIRE: Christian America believes that Wahhabi, Arab Islamic Terrorists flushed with Oil incomes, aim to establish "an Islamic Caliphate covering a region from Spain, across North Africa, through the Middle East and South Asia, all the way to Indonesia -and it wouldn't stop there. The US Vice-President, Dick Cheney warned so on February 24, 2007 in Australia. Dick Cheney is right, as oil-funded Semite Arab Wahhabi Islamic terrorists "have ambitions of Islamic Empire" that aim to destroy Christian Civilization and the Western economies by Oil-Price Rise and nuclear attacks on Christian Western Europe, to take revenge of western disintegration of Ottoman Caliphate after First world War. United States should invite India as co-imperial power to rule the Iraqi oil colony, otherwise if Arab Islamic Jihadists tasted victory in Iraq, just as they tasted victory over white Christian Russians in Afghanistan, then Arab Islamic Jihadist would look for new missions, not only in Afghanistan but in capitals across the Middle East, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia and the World civilization as we know would collapse and New Dark Age will descend on the Civilized Christian world. Dick Cheney correctly argued that Free Nations "have a duty" to stand in the way of the insurgents for the sake of their long-term security. America is determined to prevail in Iraq because we understand the consequences of failure". Dick Cheney should realize that without direct military participation by India, the white Christian nations would fail to colonize and impose peace and freedom to Iraqi people, as Arabs can only be governed or ruled by sword and guns. "If USA and NATO coalition withdrew before Iraqis could defend themselves, radical factions would battle for dominance of the country, and snowball into a barbarian invasions of civilized West Europeans, who lack the military capability to face the barbarian Muslim invasions. Like the fall of Roman Empire, the West Europeans would capitulate and Islam would rule over Christian Western Europe again in 21st Century, just as Ottomans ruled over Balkans, Serbs and Greeks for centuries. Without the direct military support of USA and India the Europe would come under the military rule of Muslims in 21st Century. Dick Cheney wise said "The (Islamic) violence would likely spread throughout the country, and be difficult to contain. Having tasted victory in Iraq, then Arab Islamic Jihadists would look for new missions. "Many would head for Afghanistan. Others would set out for capitals across the Middle East, spreading more sorrow and discord as they eliminate dissenters and work to undermine moderate governments." Nuclear-armed Arabian Islamic Jihadist might blow up and destroy liberal Christian civilization, perhaps aided by End of Time Christian believers, who might join Islamic terrorists to fulfill Christian Apocalyptic Teleology, Rupture and Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Christian fundamentalists might inadvertently join Islamic fundamentalists to destroy Western Christian Civilization to impose new Dark Age in Europe.

(2) POLITICS CAUSE OF ISLAM VERSUS CHRISTIANITY CLASH OF CIVILIZATION: More than 30 percent of the White Christian population in Europe and United States firmly believe that violent apocalyptic Clash between White Christian Western civilization and Semite Arab Sunni Islamic Civilization including Iranian Shiite Civilization is inevitable and likely to take place in the early part of 21st Century. Unless Civilized White West does not undertake preemptive military strikes on barbarian uncivilized Arab & Iranian Islam, there is a possibility that White Christianity may cease to exist or lose the war waged by barbarian Islam in the 21st Century. Clash between Islam and west is political, BBC poll finds. Osama bin Laden uses the language of religious conflict, but the BBC poll suggests most people believe politics is the cause of conflict between Islam and the West. Fears of an inevitable "clash of civilizations," Christian West versus Islam are not exaggerated rather highly likely to occur soon. Sizeable population of Christians in the West (more than 50 percent) see positive links between cultures and believe that politics, rather than religion, is the primary cause of international disputes. The politics and oil is the main cause of Islam versus Christianity clash of civilization. The BBC Globescan 2007, public opinion poll of 27 countries for the BBC World Service found the most common view (52%) is that tensions between Muslims and westerners arise from "conflicts about political power and interests" - endorsed by 52% overall. Three in 10 (29%) say such tensions arise mostly from "differences of religion and culture". Either Islamic Oil will make Islamic oil producers oil colonies of the West, or Islamic oil incomes will enable Arab & Iranian Islamic Jihadists to destroy Western civilization in the 21st Century.

(3) FOR OIL AMERICA MUST INVADE ISLAMIC TERRORISM IN IRAN & IRAQ: The national interests of Semite Arabs and Christian West requires that clash of Islam versus Christianity should continue ad infinitum. Unless Christians are able to invade and colonize Islamic oil producers, before oil-funded Arab/Iranian Islamic Jihadist gain access to Pakistani nuclear weapons, the future of the west is doomed. Only common ground that can avert the Islam versus Christianity Apocalypse and Armageddon, is that liberal world empowers Arab women to gain control over political, police and religious power in the Islamic world so that male Arabian/Iranian Jihadis are removed from positions of power, authority and wealth in the Arab world and Islamic world, with the direct help of western military forces and the crusades of democracy in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait and other Islamic nations. When asked if "violent conflict is inevitable" between Muslim and Western cultures or whether "it is possible to find common ground" an average of 56% said that common ground can be found between the two cultures - the most common response in 25 countries. On average almost three in 10 (28%) think violent conflict is inevitable. Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, is the only country where this view predominates. At least 48 percent of the population believes that it is impossible to find common ground between Islam and Christianity. Rise of Islam inevitably means the decline of Christianity, and vice versa. Strikingly, the poll reflects a belief that violent conflict is more common among Muslims (35%) than Christians (27%) or others (27%). But 52% of the 5,000 Muslims polled say it is possible to find common ground. Amongst the Middle Eastern countries surveyed, that included majorities in Lebanon (68%) and Egypt (54%) and pluralities in Turkey (49%) and the United Arab Emirates (47%). "Many people round the world, more than 30 percent of the population, clearly accept the idea that Islam and the West are caught in an inevitable clash of civilizations. Very sizeable people in UK believe that Islam-Christianity rapproachement is not possible. In the UK, 77% of those polled believe Islam and the West can find common ground. In Italy the figure is 78%, in France 69% but only 49% in Germany. A majority of Americans (64%) think it is possible to find common ground, though about a third (31%) believe violent conflict is inevitable.

(4) AMERICA 2008 IS THEATER OF CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS: Religious Right Conservative Conspiracy created Saudi Wahhabism and Clash of Civilization as an instrument to descend New Global Dark Age over Civilized Christian world, in 21st Century, just as Papacy aligned with barbarians in 415 AD to destroy roman Empire and to usher in barbarian Medieval Dark Age over White Christian Western Europe. American voters in 2008 will decide whether they want barbarian medieval Dark Age in 21st Century. Dear Americans you have a free will to destroy America, with a constitutional wall that separates the State and the Church in 2008. The apocalyptic concept of a "Clash of Civilizations" originated with the Harvard thinker Samuel Huntington, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry J. Kissinger, Papacy, Christian Religious Right conservative conspiracy, who argued that conflict between cultures, especially between the West and Islam, was replacing the old cold war confrontation between East and West. Similar language is used by Osama Bin Laden and other Jihadists that conspiring to overthrow the unpopular House of Al Saud monarchy in Saudi Arabia. The BBC survey found that 58% attributed tensions to intolerant fundamentalist Islamic minorities led by fanatic religious leadership, rather than fundamental differences between Islamic and Christian cultures. In the Global Clash of civilizations, the Papacy and Wahhabi Islam and Shiite Iran, President Bill Clinton, President Jimmy Carter, Senator Barrack Obama, Secretary Henry Kissinger, Secretary Madeleine Albright are on the same side of religious Fundamentalism in the battle lines of Clash of Civilizations. Protestant Christianity, Orthodox Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism, United States and India, Senator Hillary Clinton, Secretary Condi Rice, Rudy Giuiliani, Senator McCain are on the same side of the Clash of Civilizations in the 21st Century, after the India-USA civilian nuclear treaty signed by President Bush and Indian Prime Minister. Every presidential candidate for 2008 elections, whether Democrat or Republican must reject the Religious Right Conservative conspiracy, to avert the descent of a new barbarian Dark Age over the civilized Western world in the 21st Century, and speak against it, even if they lose the elections. American people will respect them more in their defeat than their victory as henchmen of the Religious right Conservative conspiracy. Religious Right conservative conspiracy is greater a Crime and greater evil than Hitler’s Nazism or Cambodian Pol Potism. Let virtuous of America join forces to inflict total defeat on Islamic Terrorism, Religious Fundamentalism in American elections 2008. Religious Fundamentalism personifies Pure Evil and Devil in 21st Century. Let United Nations (UNO) declare Religious Fundamentalism, Extremism, Intolerance and Religious terrorism a cognizable War Crime, punishable with life imprisonment by International Criminal Court at The Hague. All Evil Ideologies must be militarily defeated and politically destroyed in the 21st Century otherwise a New Dark Age might descend on the civilized world. Religious Fundamentalism must not misuse the democracy to destroy democratic society itself. Give political and electoral Death to Extremism, Intolerance, Fundamentalism and Terrorism in coming US elections 2008 and coming election in India. Support President Bush’s Crusade of Democracy to militarily destroy and conquer the homelands and breeding ground of Fundamentalism, Extremism, Intolerance and Terrorism worldwide. Support American military invasions of nuke-seeking fundamentalist Shiite Iran and Arab Sunni Taleban. Support preemptive strikes on Terrorism. Let’s raise the Army of “Good” to defeat the forces of “Bad”. Vote Wisely in 2008 Elections. Do Not Be Misled by Evil Fundamentalism, Extremism, Intolerance and Terrorism. Amen!
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3/04/2007 12:15 AM  
Blogger Solid_Snake said...

the real problem lies in the American citizens, they dunno any real thing! plus they r not seeking to know! When they hear Islam it means terror, anyway God save Islam and Muslims.

3/09/2007 1:48 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

Solid_Snake, that's quite a blanket, definitive and personal statement you have made.

3/10/2007 2:08 PM  

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